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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 6:08 pm
by MioTEK
I hope that this post does not offend anyone here, because my intentions are the exact opposite ;)

I, first, want to explain what this post is in regard to, then, I'd like to ask this group a question.

I and my firm are developing a series of industry specific software applications, intended to help insurance agents, real estate salespeople & brokers, and mortgage originators, by offering a cost-effective CRM (Customer Relationship Management) solution to making more sales, to help agents become better organized, and to overall improve agents/egency efficiency. Although our entire staff is comprised of software developers, ALL of us have worked in other related fields. I, for instance, have worked as a mortgage originator who upsold supplemental insurance to my clients. I also sold real estate. The problem, was that the software that the firms I worked for was either proprietory, or lacking in some area(s).

Our flagship product will be geared toward insurance agents, and is already in development. Our database model is a highly scalable, MS Sql Server-based multi-user implementation, built on the latest and greatest Microsoft .NET technology. Initially, our versioning system is set up to build an "LE" (or Light Edition) product, for a plethora of reasons, most importantly, to see if there is a market for a bold new application, and, to simply get the end-user better tools to do their job.

We have looked at (among others, listed alphabetically):
Agency Software, Inc., <a href='http://www.agencysoftware.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.agencysoftware.com/</a>
DORIS Insurance Systems, <a href='http://www.dorissystems.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.dorissystems.com/</a>
InStar, <a href='http://www.instarcorp.com/us/' target='_blank'>http://www.instarcorp.com/us/</a>
LifeLink, <a href='http://www.lifelinkcorp.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.lifelinkcorp.com/</a>
QuickFile, <a href='http://www.quickfile.net/' target='_blank'>http://www.quickfile.net/</a>
QuickQuote (Parent to QuickFile), <a href='http://www.qqonline.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.qqonline.com/</a>
The Agency Advantage, <a href='http://www.agencyadvantage.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.agencyadvantage.com/</a>
Your Insurance Office, <a href='http://www.yourinsuranceoffice.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.yourinsuranceoffice.com/</a>

In a perfect world, if you were to take all of the above said products, pour them in to a blender, and filter-off the best features that each had to offer, you would have a premiere product B)

This is where we have reached a quagmire. Our epiphany. We intend to bring to market an affordable (ESRP of $399.95 one time fee) user-friendly system, that incorporates seven basic functions:
[A] Appointments & Calendaring
Clients
[C] Policies
[D] Reporting & Metrics
[E] Administrative Functions
[F] Notes & Journaling
[G] Goals & Goal Setting

As a side bar, the "industry," or, people like us that develop software, are typically moving to a "pay per month" (and/or) online product. There are many features and benefits to this type of setup; including "real timing" the process -- making your data available anywhere, anytime. Some of the drawbacks of this type of system can be one-time upfront costs, and "per seat" (or per user, per month) recurring costs. Again, the industry is moving to this type of model.

After our "LE" version gets us some good feedback, we intend to move into the more complex integration of Acord forms (very big financial investment to integrate in to the development environment for an upstart company) and RTE (Real Time Enterprising) technology: making the product available anywhere, anytime, to it's users. There will have to be different pricing models for "hosted" RTE setups (this is where the market has moved to) since, the database is essentially offsite, somewhere in cyberspace. We intend for our core product to be both Internetwork-able AND intranetwork-able; meaning, the database will be available as a stand-alone, potentially as a peer-to-peer system, at the office via the corporate LAN, or, while at home or on the road, via remote access, VPN, via HTML (or a web interface), or other corporate remoting process.

The last leg of integration will be to build application interfaces, where we can get our product to talk to large carriers (for data transfer and paperless integration), large pre-existing systems (that may already have their "fixed" system in place, and are not, nor will not migrate their systems), and disparate systems (ex: one independent office, with four agents, all using different CRM solutions) all talking to one-another. This is almost a pipe-dream, but for geeks like us, where there's a will, there's a way (We::TAWTAW).

Possible feedback topics for this group:

1) As for the above stated list (letters [A] thru [G]), how would you rate their importance?

2) What features do you want in an "agency" type application?

3) How portable does your system need to be, i.e., do you need to access your database from multiple locations (Home, Office, at a seminar or training, at a client's suggestion location)?

4) What system do you currently use?

5) What shortfalls (if any) does your current system have?

6) What are the best features of your current system?

7) How often do you use scanned-in documents?

8) Do you use the built-in forms (like Word documents, etc.) frequently?

9) Do you customize forms or documents?

10) If so (customize forms), which types of forms/letters/documents, and for what purpose?

11) Does your system currently incorporate Acord forms?

12) Do/Does you/your office use Acord forms?

13) Do you use only pre-printed, or company-supplied forms?

14) Does your system talk to your PDA, BlackBerry, or other wireless device? (PDA's :: HP iPaq, Garmin iQue, Toshiba Pocket PC, Palm, Dell Axim, Sharp Zaurus, Sony Clie)

15) Is wireless portability important to you, or your company?

I am sure that I/we have a million more questions. and if there's anything that you think is important that hasn't been touched on, please advise.

In closing, I'd like to add that the design model we are currently developing integrates well with the current Microsoft Office family of products (Outlook, Word, Excel, etc.) and we will look to maintain this relationship throughout the development cycle. We want to offer a product (and or service) that is cost effective, is feature-rich, and integrates well with existing systems. Our primary operating system requirements will be for Microsoft XP Professional, with Service Pack 2. Why? because XP Pro / SP2 is faster, more secure, more scalable, and the best business or personal operating system that Microsoft has ever developed. If you're not using Windows XP now, you should be :D ... and, chances are, you probably will be in the near future. Did I mention that I'm also an optomist ;)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:13 am
by insureness
Nexsure from XDTI claims to be able to do all this.

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:05 pm
by MioTEK
I couldn't find any pricing information on Nexsure... do you know what their pricing model and fees are?

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:41 pm
by sanddog
good luck TAM is out most large agency uses. And yes its not cheap

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:24 pm
by cenino
Nexure is about $10,000 set up fee and then $100 per user per month and currently they only allow a minimum of 10 users per month.

I personally would not take any new software like you guys or nexure. Don't want to be part of the test process.

AMS and Applied have been in the insurance business almost if not completely since the creation of agency management systems, they know the field.

Good luck

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:17 am
by insureness
I believe XDTI employees a bunch of former AMS and Applied people......certainly on the sales side (Not sure if that is good or bad). Not sure what the customer base is like, but there has been alot of self-made hype about them since 2001. Doesn't hurt to look at Nexsure. Newer systems are not held back by old programming. Might do a few things the incumbent systems cannot do.

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:01 pm
by pita3333
This topic sure is popular!

I am in the midst of selecting a system for an agency I just joined.

I have looked at every system I could find and done the demos and looked at the pricing...and I am still a fan of AMS. Ya sure there are a few things that I wish they did differently...but that goes under header "can't please everyone everytime".

And yes it is not the least expensive either....tho not most expensive (TAM's quote elicited the following reply "did I get that number wrong?". Nextsure is pretty pricy as well.

We will be making the decision here next week...my suggestion is AMS360.

Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:55 am
by insureness
Since you did a market comparison, what did you think about the Nexsure product sans the expense? And the company, XDTI?

Last time we looked at AMS360 its appeared to be a new web interface stuck on the same old backend. That said, the new interface was appealing.

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:26 pm
by MioTEK
<!--QuoteBegin-insureness+Apr 14 2005, 07:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (insureness @ Apr 14 2005, 07:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Since you did a market comparison, what did you think about the Nexsure product sans the expense? And the company, XDTI?

Last time we looked at AMS360 its appeared to be a new web interface stuck on the same old backend. That said, the new interface was appealing.[/quote]
I give Nexsure high marks, as well as XDTI.

As far as AMS360 -- I don't know ;) ... am not in a position to have known what they were like, but get the impression that the "same old" -ness is what agents (in general) are really sick and tired of; besides ridiculous pricing models.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:31 am
by insureness
MioTek, what is XDTI's customer base? The company has been around for years and if the system is truly good then I have to imagine there are some clients, right?

Not an AMS cheerleader, but the company has a huge customer base. The AMS systems might not be a developers dream, but they enable the agent to get the job done.

No system can do an agents job. The business is about the clients, the agents and servicing those clients. The most amazing software isn't going to get an agent clients and it certainly isn't going to be the reason the clients stay an agent's clients.

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:52 pm
by Insurance101
We've demo'd AMS360 and Applied (TAM). The AMS360 platform seems to be the platform of the future (SQL). The Applied (TAM) platform is roughly 15 yrs old. Both systems can get the job done well, however the AMS360 system is much more scalable and expandable due to the platform. I haven't demo'd Nexsure yet, but from what I've seen thus far, it looks like it's more on par with AMS360 as far as the technology. I've heard they dont have much of a client base yet which is a little concerning as the question comes up "will they be in business 5 and 10 years from now?"

Does anyone have any more info on Nexsure?

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:52 pm
by pita3333
In reply...to the question above....putting price aside and ONLY looking at features...AMS 360 and Nexsure seem to be pretty close together.

Thats just my opnion and review based on the needs of this particular agency which has a very specialized nich marketplace.

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:13 am
by oldagent
I've been in the biz for many years. Back to the days of redshaw.
Selecting the right software provider is critical. Selecting one that can sustain is critical. Many vendors come in and out of this agency market. Its a tough place to play. Agents are frugal and resourceful. Anyway I stay update to date on this stuff. AMS and Applied are constants. Both companies have new owners who will upgrade the technology. XDTI is new technology but unproven. Only earlier adopters should move forward, in my opinion. You'll experience some bumps and bruises along the way. The client base is limited, but the application is based on new tech which should allow it to do new things. But when it comes down to it none of this stuff will get more clients. And agencies retain busines b/c of the service they provide which starts w/ the people not the technology. The grapevine down here in TX says that XDTI is owned by an insurance company.

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:51 am
by Insurance101
I believe XDTI (Nexsure) is heavily invested in by The Hartford. This alone does not mean they will succeed. Their client base is extremely small from what I understand (150-300 clients total on the Nexsure product). I also have heard that the people that started up this product are ex Applied and AMS people who used to be in the business of the data backup and recovery and decided to get into the Agency Management end of it to compete with AMS and Applied.

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:52 pm
by oldagent
Redshaw failed and The Hartford owned that.
150-300? Does that mean agencies or individual agents? Its got to be people. I looked in the hartford's 2003 financials. xDimensional is listed as a subsidiary. Page 183. Interesting. Certainly enough financial support. Might be worth a strong look especially if your agency has strong ties with The Hartord.